Ferris State (MI) hosed out of upset of Indiana
What’s the line – a picture tells a thousand words? Well, this picture tells countless words as it shows what should have been the game winning jumper by Division II Ferris State’s Jerrell Sanders last night against Indiana University. The shot, which went in (obviously or we wouldn’t have a story), was wrongfully waved off by officials, who were also in exhibition mode. It appears the Hoosiers had some home cookin’ as the backboard light lit up thus signaling the end of the second half/game. But, as the clock shows, there are still 00.4 seconds left as the ball has left Sanders’ hand.
The Bulldogs led 35-32 at halftime. Indiana ended up pulling away and winning 78-65 in overtime. My sources reported that there was no cheating in the extra session.
In related news, the Tennessee Volunteers men’s team lost to D-II Indianapolis last night.
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He didn't beat the red light. The TV clock isn't always synced perfectly with the game clock.
Here is a different picture: http://indiana.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=726&mid=150016152&sid=942&tid=150016152&style=1
I could be wrong, but that doesn't look like a "TV clock". It looks like a camera was pointed at the scoreboard clock, which in turn, means that the backboard light wasn't in sync with the scoreboard clock.
I could be wrong too, but there could be a .4 second delay between the camera of the game and the camera that is on the scoreboard clock. Regardless, the rule is the rule. The refs go by the light when determining if a shot beat the clock for these very reasons.
It sounds like Mr. Anonymous is a Hoser fan (Hoosiers are Hosers on this one).
It looks like thats the game clock inset into the TV's scoreboard.
Hey Mr. IU Anonymous your link is the same photo, so what does that add ?
Yes, I'm a Hoosiers fan, busted. But the photo I posted shows the red light on and the ball still in the shooter's hand. Therefore, by rule, the refs made the right call. Do I know for a fact that the red light and game clock are perfectly synced? Not anymore than you know that they aren't.
The red light is on in the pic that was posted originally.
Look, I don't know how else to point this out. In the pic I posted, the red light is on (as it is on this site, I am aware). The BIG DIFFERENCE is that in the pic I posted, the ball is still in the shooter's hands when the red light is on. The NCAA rule is that if the red light comes on before the ball leaves the hands, the shot does not count. It doesn't matter if the clock still shows any time left.
I'd like to see that rule.
And, my point from the beginning – why does Indiana have to cheat and have the opponents shoot at the bucket with the broken backboard light in the second half?
Rule 2, Section 13, Art. 4. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an
official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is
to be used to determine whether a try for goal, a shot-clock violation or a foul
occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game
clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the
red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding of the
game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive information is unattainable
with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf
Clock, light, horn
I'm not trying to take anything away from Ferris St. at all. They played their butts off and honestly deserved to win the game. However, it is because they outplayed Indiana, not because they were screwed by a call. Here is the rule (pg. 54 of this: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf)
Art. 4. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an
official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is
to be used to determine whether a try for goal, a shot-clock violation or a foul
occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game
clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the
red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding of the
game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive information is unattainable
with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.
who cares it was an exibition game which i.u. played everyone and whoever the team was played there top 5 or 7 guys the whole game . RIDICULOUS
Anyway you slice it – the Hosers were damn lucky!
IU Anonymous – doesn't the rule state pretty much what "the general" said – clock, light, buzzer?
So, unless the refs couldn't see the clock on the replay (I didn't watch the game, so I don't know if they could or not, but I don't see why they shouldn't have been able to), the shot should have counted…right?
Unless the game clock wasn't started when it touched the shooters hands, therefore leaving the refs unable to use the clock. He sure did an awful lot in 1.4 sec if he did make it in time, catch…dribble…take a step and a half back and shoot…
Who cares?
Check out my video on youtube! it clearly shows 00.2 on the clock and the ball is clearly out of his hands. About 3 feet away from his body! Ferris got screwed!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Velchansky?feature=mhum#p/a/u/0/Yi4Oh6Q8wzY